German Wirehaired Pointer Club of America

Roosterridge · Newbie Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 1

Hello I am new to this so the questions I am asking are borne out of ignorance. Anyhow forging ahead, I am interested in Hunt testing one of my GWP's and I live in Colorado. I have not found a any clubs offering a water test so my first question is how do I find a listing of water tests?

Secondly I was wondering is there is any way to recieve water test credit if the dog in question has passed a NAVHDA Utility test? They have something that appears similiar, again speaking from ignorance, to the water test in the NAVHDA UT test. It is called the "retrieve of duck" in the NAVHDA testing manual and appears to go beyond what is being asked in the water test.

Anyhow any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.....

Tony · Master Joined: 22 Oct 2002 Posts: 197 Location: Iowa

Check the GWP clubs or the Weimeriner (sp?) clubs, as far as I know, these are the only 2 AKC Hunt Test organizations that are doing the water test.

Though the NAVHDA UT water work is much more difficult than the AKC Water Test, it does not qualify towards the AKC requirements.

dualgwp · Posted: 01/24/04, 6:40 pm Post subject:

Tony is right, the only breed clubs that offer water tests are the Weims and us. Thats because we are the only breed that needs them for a Field Championship (both breeds) and our breed for a SH or MH title as well.
Unfortunately there isn't a Wire club in Colorado, but there is probably a Weim club somewhere. And I'm sure there will be a water test at the GWP Nationals that will be held in MI this fall. That will give you plenty of time to get your pooch ready to run and get the water requirment at the same time.

cmmilach · Posted: 01/24/04, 8:50 pm Post subject: Water Test Question

Hi,

I live in Centennial, CO & I belong to the Mile High Weimaraner Club. You can check out our website at www.mhwc.org.

Also, go to Fieldtrialnews.com & click on the calendar. It will list all the upcoming field trials & hunt tests. The MHWC is planning on hosting a water test in August of this year.

You can contact me at ciaradoc@aol.com if you have any other questions.

Cathy

ME · Junior Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 65

Find a HRC club that is in your area. The NAVHDA retrieve of the duck is ok but not much really. Your dog will need to be UKC registered and then it can enter any HRC test. These are the retriever people. Since the GWP clubs at this time don't require a water test. Putting a retriever title on the dog will be fun and everyone will come to the line to see your dog run since it isn't a Lab... Laughing

This link will tell you more about the local clubs..

http://144.92.78.57/
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dualgwp · Posted: 01/25/04, 9:38 am Post subject:

"Since the GWP clubs at this time
don't require a water test. "

The GWP does need a water test to complete a FC, AFC, SH or MH title.

Vom Britt · Junior Joined: 27 Oct 2002 Posts: 63 Location: Central WI.

Two of my GWP's, one 12 months old at the time, passed a GWPCA sanctioned water test. It wasn't much of a water test IMO, but it was a water test required by the breed club & is a start.

Does anyone know the politics it would take for the GWPCA to accept a NAVHDA Utility test title or possibly just a pass in the Retrieve of Duck portion, for a GWPCA & AKC water pass? The retrieve of dead duck in the NAVHDA test requires that the dog remain steady near a blind through gunfire with the handler out of sight, remain steady through four more shots before the duck is launched, released and expected to retrieve the bird to hand.

Common sense tells me from reading about the difficulties finding sanctioned water tests, that approving of respected water test requirements in differing formats, just may help the situation and improve the breed.
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Bob

Luke · Newbie Joined: 17 Dec 2003 Posts: 5

ME, What's difference between HRC and NAHRA Question

Luke

dualgwp · Posted: 01/25/04, 1:17 pm Post subject:

It's too darn cold and icy to go outside to do anything today, can't wait for spring!
I hope I'm not "hogging" the board, but nothing else to do....
Bob, AKC only accept AKC events and therefore AKC titles . It would be wonderful if we could use the NAVHDA test to work towards our water test requirements, but unfortunately we can't. At least not for any official title from akc.

The GWPCA has started, or is working on a versatile title for GWPCA members dogs, and it has been decided that NAHVDA tests will be accepted toward that. Thank goodness! It would be wonderful if the club could start our own versatile testing program, and it has been proposed in the past. But it's never gotten off the ground. If there were a group of folks that really wanted to see it happen, it could happen, but so far no one will step to the plate and take it on.

But, now that we need a water test, maybe more club will get moving and make sure that they hold one a year. Who knows, maybe it will get some folks moving who live in areas that don't have clubs, to get one started?! That would be great.

I know that there are some folks in the Carolina's that are trying to get a club together, mainly so they can hold a water test. I hope they succeed!

ME · Junior Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 65

Didn't need no water test to get a MH on my dog.

When did they get this sudo test..

Luke · Newbie Joined: 17 Dec 2003 Posts: 5

I wonder if any of retriever folks will want to enter the gwp water test? Maybe that would encourage more gwp groups to hold the tests?

Tony · Master Joined: 22 Oct 2002 Posts: 197 Location: Iowa

ME · Junior Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 65

No retrievers will enter a GWP water event. AKC won't allow it. Just like my GWP can't run AKC retiever tests.
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dualgwp · Posted: 01/26/04, 6:51 pm Post subject:

The new reuirement was added June 1, 2003 I think. Or somewhere near that time frame. So, if you finished a Senior or Master title after that date, you had to also pass a water test to finish the title. Am guessing you finished your MH prior to that?

Talking about other breeds entering a test, they could if they wanted to enter, but their pass or fail would not be sent to AKC. In fact, if a club wanted to they could get very creative with a water test. If they wanted to, they could run an advanced test, and put all kinds of requirements on what the dog had to do. It just wouldn't really count toward anything, but might be fun and it might just get us moving on some tougher tests down the road.

This addition is hopefully just a first step (thats nothing official mind you) and something many many people have wanted for years.

The GSPCA has an "unofficial" water test in place now with several levels of work in it. No reason we couldn't do the same....???

KJ · Posted: 01/26/04, 6:54 pm Post subject:

If the GWP club wanted to use a NAVHDA UT for a 'water test' bad enough, couln't they find a way? Or maybe just sign off that they passed the water test if they passed the UT, I don't think anybody would be too upset. A dog could get a '2' in both the duck search and the duck retrieve (which are pretty poor marks and still get a prize III)and it would still say more about the dog's water capabilities than the AKC water test. If a mature, broke GWP can't pass the AKC water test it should probably be spayed or neutured on the spot.

Could the AKC make 3 water tests for versatiles? JWD, SWD and MWD? With the JWD having a couple bumper retrieves and a duck chase to the MWD having a duck search, blind retrives, doubles, etc? How hard would something like this be to get going?

DualGWP,
Still frozen up here, too. Thought I could find some open water to swim the dogs last weekend and when I got there, people were icefishing Confused