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Water test for any versatile or continental breed.

 
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PostPosted: 08/04/03, 12:27 am    Post subject: Water test for any versatile or continental breed. Reply with quote

First I would like to thank all that took the intiative to put water retrieves as a requirement for SH and MH tests. I can only imagine what it took to be the first and hope many breed clubs follow your example in trying to maintain a versatile breeds standard.

Jon in another thread I understand the need for more water work on a highly prized MH title. In this regard you may want to consider doing the same and push the for a Master Hunter Excellent title. This would be MHX which would not only mean you met the requirements for the MH but also able to meet the requirements of attaining a RDX. I will give more general information about this later.

I just recently attended a Water Retrieving Test sponsored by GSPCA and ran by MIGSPC. I have to say all enjoyed the test the gallery stayed throught the hole event and many passer bys seeing all the cars parked came to watch as well. I was and am happy that the breed club has at least offered some type of water retrieve. I do wish it was a mandatory basic requirement with GSP the same that GWPCA did or take a stance on. The breeds standard for versatile breeds is the retrieving from land and water and I see a distinct seperation of water not only from tests and trials but the genetic base to continue this trait.

Anyway I just wanted to say I think your on the right track by requiring water tests.

Jon
Because you gave a brief discription of what was required in Germany or what you seen in tests, I will give you a brief overview of a RDX Retrieving Dog Excellent test. The dog is bought into the area without leash and under control. You must enter a 12 ft diameter base (usually just a hose making a circle). You must not touch the dog, exception would be to release it only. Once you set your dog up stand, sit, down they must remain in this position until sequence is finished and you are signaled by the judges to release him/her. A shot is fired for all three birds (12 ga blanks) a 40 yard, 60 yard and a 20 yard. Also there is 8 decoys or spread, almost forgot to mention them. Any way once you send them you can handle or give as many commands as the dog obeys but you are only allowed 4 refused or disobeyed commands and you have 4 retrieves let me continue to explain.
So you sent the dog after three multiple marks and he must deliver to hand and you are not able to leave that 12ft circle. Once the dog has done all three retrieves you will be asked to walk out over in an area the will prohibit you are your dog to watch and a bird is thrown with out a shot. You would be directed back to the circle all of this off leash and the dog under control. You will most likely see the duck and you will line the dog up and send on a blind retrieve. This is a general guideline but with a blind, and multiple marks it does show the dog can be useful in a waterfowl hunt. So this may be what you may want to push and have an extra or new title for some to work toward.

Like I said I applaud and thank anyone invovled that had a part in making a water retrieve a requirement for SH and MH tests for the GWP. I just wish the GSPCA will follow suit along with other versatile breeds.
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PostPosted: 08/04/03, 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not sure what the requirement is for the GWP but someone emailed be explaining that on the water retrieve a person can run up and down the bank or away from the waters edge to influence the dog to bring the duck/pigeon to the handler. He also said that the dog if did not enter the water one could throw stones etc... to get the dog to enter the water and retrieve the bird. If this is the case it is a far cry from what it should be like. Has anyone have a link or information regarding the rules on the water retrieve on the GWP? If you do please post or pm me with the information.

Thank You in advance.
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PostPosted: 07/12/04, 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 1 question I have is why is it that the only 2 clubs in the country that can put on a water test is a Weim club and a GWP club. Why not let any pointing breed club hold the water test. As long as the standards are met what would it matter. There is Weim club here in SC and they hold a water rating test for ther weims could they included a GWP. Would the AKC ok this or does it have to be during a hunt test.
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