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PostPosted: 08/21/08, 10:48 pm    Post subject: Navhda NA test -- Two thumbs up Reply with quote

Congratulations to Gary Scovel on handling 11 month old german wirehaired pointer "Chump Changes Black Diamond" (a.k.a. "Repo") to a NAVHDA Natural ability 108 points, Prize II at the Northern Minnesota NAVHDA test on 8/16/08. It was Gary's first ever NAVHDA test running behind a real versatile pointing dog. Outstanding job Gary!!

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PostPosted: 08/22/08, 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Way to go Gary and Repo.............gotta love them black dogs!
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PostPosted: 08/25/08, 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GREAT WORK GARY AND DENNIS! NICE DOG! Smile
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PostPosted: 09/03/08, 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats on your prize

However, Im curious as to the Parent club & restrictions/ breedings of this dog...

A dog such as this, will wreck havoc in the future gene pool.

Schwarzschimmel to a Solid Braun=Solid Black or Schwarz

It doenst make the dog any less of a dog or hunt partner, but the breeder is negligent in not understanding the implications of this, imo.
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PostPosted: 09/04/08, 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It doenst make the dog any less of a dog or hunt partner, but the breeder is negligent in not understanding the implications of this, imo.


Negligent....now that is funny. Laughing Laughing Laughing

Last time I checked, there was no breeding restriction on a Liver x Black & white/ticked........But what do I know? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 09/04/08, 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I belive that the black/white or Schwarzschimmel GWPs, are disqualified under the AKC standards, let alone Solid Blacks.

In the VDD, this Breeding would not take place
Braun to SchwartzSchimmel is Not allowed


As to the genetics of color, black is dominant over brown.
The genotype of black is twofold: The homozygous i.e. (BB) and the heterozygous. I.e. (Bb). The phenotype is black for both BB and Bb respectively.

The GWPCA officially does not accept Black/White...thats where Im confused.
You are either oblivious to Standards, or accepting of it, as is the breeder.
Which is it Repo?

Hey, Those little emoticon smiley faces are so cute, arent you glad you have such neat technogical advances & gimmicks to try to further your weak point?
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PostPosted: 09/04/08, 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blah, blah, blah........ Black is only a disqualifing factor in the AKC show ring, not any field events. The black color of a GWP does not disqualify the dog from being registered in the AKC, FDSB, UKC, or NAVHDA. So you don't really know what you are blabbing about. Who really cares about the show ring or what "show dog" folks have to say about gundogs? The show ring is for pretenders, basing things on color.

In the VDD, if you would do the research, you'd find the only breeding that is prohibited color wise is the colors black x black or black x black /white/ticked....because black is the dominant color.

But what do I know?...... Rolling Eyes.


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PostPosted: 09/04/08, 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrong again

Schwarzshimmel (Black/White roan) cannot breed to solid Braun in the VDD.
There are no solid black dogs in the VDD, only Sch.
I own a Solid Braun Bitch, Im well aware of the implications

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The most common color of the DD — called braunschimmel — is brown roan with or without brown patches. Approximately 15% of the registered breed is schwarzschimmel, or black roan with or without black patches. And a few dogs are completely brown (braun) or brown with white breast spots (braun m. brfl.). Whatever the color, it should be inconspicuous in the field and forest. Brown eyes are preferred to the yellow shades, although this does not affect function. It is common to mate a braunschimmel dog with a schwarzschimmel dog to restore the coat and eye pigment in the braunschimmel line, which would otherwise fade over the generations.


With this dog, we're not talking Sch., we are talking Solid Black


AKC is a registry, that permits Showing & HAS Breed Standards
The GWPCA upholds the standards.
Black/White is Severely Penalized & Disqualified
What does this group say of Solid Black or Sch. with regard to breeding, if anything?

Nice Smiley faces again. Look I can do it too. Smile
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PostPosted: 09/04/08, 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That says nothing about the breeding being prohibited. It merely talks of the dogs color, not breeding. Laughing Laughing

Of course it does say this.......

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It is common to mate a braunschimmel dog with a schwarzschimmel dog...blah,blah, blah......


If it is common, then it must not be prohibited. Rolling Eyes

Don't you think? Laughing Laughing Laughing

Get with it...... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

By the way it looks like in the photo the dog has a white chest patch. Wink
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PostPosted: 09/04/08, 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ill try again.
In German-Schimmel means Roan
Schwarz is black. Braun is Brown

One can breed Black/White roan (Schwarzshimmel) only to a
1. Braunshimmel (Brown Roan)

This comes directly from the VDD Breed Warden

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In VDD neither solid brown or brown with white on the chest are allowed to be bred to a black and white.


This particular dogs dam was a Cull from the VDD, and was sold with an understanding that she wouldnt be used for breeding.

The Breeder said on Vdogs:
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She said she would never breed her when I advised her not to because Libby had a bad bite. She was number five (5. Anterior Crossbite) on the link that JakeDD provided.


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PostPosted: 09/04/08, 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That isn't at all what that says....that is what you say someone who is a "breed warden" says.

Get with it is right. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 09/04/08, 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was his post.
If you want it in its entirety here it is..

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In VDD neither solid brown or brown with white on the chest are allowed to be bred to a black and white.
There are 2 distinct color patterns of solid brown.
One is brown, and the other is brown with breastfleck.
This dog appears to be the result of a breeding of a brown with breastfleck and a B&W.
Ticking on one or more feet is fairly common in the brown dogs.
We know this result is possible with this type of mating but this is the first time I have actually seen one.


His name is Lynn and lives in Utah.
That was his post..and he is THE Breedwarden in the VDD

Stop grasping, You come off so desperate to make your point that you discredit yourself with regard to a Truth in the VDD & Breeding
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PostPosted: 09/04/08, 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

His name is Lynn and he lives in Utah and you read it on V-dogs.

You have a credibility crisis. Laughing

The more you post, the more laugable you become.....keep trying. Laughing Laughing Laughing


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PostPosted: 09/04/08, 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny, as I was thinking the same thing about your posts.
Everything I cite is verifiable, unlike your garbage

Theres only Club Nominated Breed Warden and thats Lynn, and yes he lives in Utah.
I know Lynn informally, have corresponded with him & met him twice. Im a Member of the VDD. Youre Not.



My only interest is whether or not this dog will be used by the GWPCA as there is potential harm with regard to coloration, as black is dominant.

There are no Solid Black or 'Schwarz' dogs, Or 'Black with Breastflake' dogs in the VDD.
None. Got it?

Oh, to not have any QC in your production, manufacturing or breeding for that matter..
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PostPosted: 09/04/08, 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are funny..... Laughing Laughing Laughing

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.... have corresponded with him & met him twice.......


Sure it wasn't 3 times or 4, maybe in a dream....was Santa Claus there too?

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