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PostPosted: 03/30/05, 8:21 am    Post subject: still having eye problems Reply with quote

I did a post last fall regarding my pup having conjuctivitis. At that time the vets thought is was something (bacterial/fungal/viral/tick bite reaction) he had picked up from running through the brush and long grass.

The inflammation got so severe I had to take him to the vet clinic each day so they could give him steriod eye drops. He was also on a antibiotic and Pred. Over a period of weeks his condition slowly improved to the point where he didnt need the drops and only 5mg of Pred every other day. Things improved during the winter but still when I tried to wean him off Pred the one eye lid would start to droop. The eye balls themselves appear normal and he has sufficient tears. It is just the upper and lower lids that get red ulcer like bumps that cause the lower lid
on one side to droop. His thyroid tested normal. In the last week his symptoms have again worsened and he is on Maxitrol drops 3 times/day which seem to only barely help.

I have had him to many second opinions, two of which were eye specialists and he has yet to be diagnosed.

I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has had similiar problems or
has any suggestions.
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PostPosted: 03/31/05, 9:07 pm    Post subject: Pannus or Cataracts? Reply with quote

In the general chat section there is a thread asking general questions by someone considering a GWP and cheerio answered about some eye stuff. Don't know anything about it but wondered if it might be relevant.

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PostPosted: 04/03/05, 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eric, at this point I would be wondering about an auto-imune problem.
Did the foirst inflamation come within a few weeks from a vaccin?
Does he licks himself, in particular his wrists, or other articulations? or the floor? any sign of anemia? fast heart beat? swollen lymph nodes?...

Your dog has all the symptoms of a typical Blepharitis, either Bacterial or a more specific Staphylococcal, which produce symptomes including thickening, reddning, inflamation of the eyelids whic become encrusted. Mucuslike substence may adhere to the lids
Bacterial Blepharitis in adult dogs is caused by various skin diseases, such as canine atopy and demodectic mange, and by hypotheroidism and auto-immune diseases.
You certainly would know if your dog was suffering from mange as it is never localised to the eyes. Atopy involves a lot of itching particularly at the ears and underneath the body, and his thyroid was normal. I would suggest that you speak with your veterinarian about the possibility of an auto-immune problem.
Allthough there is a possible link to heredity, more and more, it is believed that many of the auto-immune diseases encontered today are due to over vaccination. I would recommand that you do not vaccinate your dog more than once every 3 years (which by the way is what Vet schools teach their students nowadays).

Good luck and please let us know what happens.

PS) I am not sure as to if there is a Canine Ophtalmologist in your area, but there is a Dr. Christmas in Calgary (AB). A quick phone call to him may be very valuable and may be able to point you to a specialist in your area. Also, when things get a little unsure with my vet, I like to make an appointment at the closest Veterinary college. They usually have the best Vets and they always found the problem in my case.
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PostPosted: 04/05/05, 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for this information Cheerio - it is the first time someone has actually given me advice on this issue that makes sense.

He doesn't do a lot of licking, nor are there signs of anemia, fast heart beat or swollen lymph. His symptoms started about several months after his last vaccine but I think you are right in suspecting auto-immune.

I have been to two canine opthamologists at Alta Vista in Ottawa who were of no help and whose fees are about 4X those of other clinics. He has been to a total of 8 vets who probably have a collective experience of 100years and yet they all drew a blank. I will ask my regular vet to contact U of Guelph and if that fails, the vet you mentioned in Calgary.

Again, thank you, I will definitely keep you posted.
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PostPosted: 05/20/05, 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might be a little early to claim victory but it appears we have this problem beat.

I decided to make an appointment with a dermotologist and he was sure it was simply a food allergy. (the other 7 vets said is was not allergy related). Anyways within 24hrs of changing his diet things began to improve. Within a week the symptoms had disappeared.

After 7 months, 7 vets and more stress, prescriptions and expense than I care to think about it, the solution was as simple as a different bag of food. Makes you wonder how some of these people ever graduated!
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PostPosted: 06/02/05, 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations! We will keep our fingers crossed for a permanent recovery.
Please, don't be so harsh on your vets. Science is by no mean an exact domaine, and food allergies are one of the most difficult problem to diagnose with certainty. I thought we had talked about it at one point...

Glad to hear puppy is feeling better.
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PostPosted: 12/06/05, 11:43 am    Post subject: still having eye problems Reply with quote

For the benefit of those of us who own dogs with allergies, I'm curious to know what food you are now successfully using. Food allergies are a huge pain in the butt to figure out. And who would have thought they would manifest in the eyelids? My wirehaired girl is just fine, but my male springer has had problems. It has taken me a year and a half to find a food solution. We use Natural Balance Salmon and sweet potato. They both eat it and they're both doing really well.

So glad for you and your dog that you now have answers.
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PostPosted: 12/07/05, 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi - the vet told me to start him on something he could have never had before. I chose a fish a potato formula because it sounded like it would be easier to source but he still seemed underweight. I have since changed him to the "BARF" diet and he is flourishing. Another thing he told me to do was never use plastic food and water bowls - apparently as the plastic breaks down it can cause reactions - especially with the eyes.

I hope this info helps - good luck.
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